LCD and Plasma Bargains

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Let me remind you this is the 'Bargins' thread (i.e. value for money). You're impling one must get a HD Plasma for the best TV/console gaming experience and a FHD (Plasma/LCD) for the best PC experience. Now what is that going to cost combined?

Eh? Since when was PC brought into this? You're being silly now suggesting one would need two TV's. In any case, a very small minority of people buy TV's for PC use. Regardless, FHD 50" plasma is still cheaper than ±50" (46"?) LCD. And like I said earlier which you may have forgotten: Entry level LCD's are about only good for PC use where FHD is going to be the order most of the time.

To summarise:

R4,500 42" HD plasma
R4,500 32" FHD LCD
R5,500 40" FHD LCD
R6,500 50" HD plasma
R9,000 50" FHD plasma
R10,000 46" FHD LCD

etc..

What about Bluray & .mkv files. All movie/series type content is avaliable in FHD is you want it.

There are very few Blu-rays out of the total amount of movies/series. /mkv's are mostly HD.

I don't see any FHD series here? http://thepiratebay.org/top/208 Again, only Blu-ray, something which is very much a minority.

All I see is HD, HD, HD. ±95% HD. Therefore bigger and cheaper and better HD entry plasma is suitable for ±95% of content. Without even bringing in console games (where 99% are HD or less).

This in a nutshell encapsulates my issues with Plasma at the budget price range. There is always some compromise. A FHD LCD gives me the flexibility to view all the content/games I choose at the resolutions the creators intended, for a budget of less than R6000 (R5101 to be exact).

There are very few media/games that are FHD. Flexibility, 95% of the time, is unnecessary and overlooked. Hence why FHD is overrated. Even more so when you are further than 1m at 32", 1.5m at 42", and 2m at 50".
 
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what is aesthetically pleasing to one person might not be to another - please guys, stop carrying on about numbers on a spec sheet LOL

BTW PostmanPot rather say 720p, 1080i & 1080p, which are all HD - I don't think "Full HD" is a technical term
1080p25 can be a broadcast standard, but do you know weather anything is 1080p50? I hear PS3 can do 1080p50 & some(all?) 1080p TVs can display it
 
what is aesthetically pleasing to one person might not be to another - please guys, stop carrying on about numbers on a spec sheet LOL

BTW PostmanPot rather say 720p, 1080i & 1080p, which are all HD - I don't think "Full HD" is a technical term
1080p25 can be a broadcast standard, but do you know weather anything is 1080p50? I hear PS3 can do 1080p50 & some(all?) 1080p TVs can display it

Agreed, prefer those terms.
 
You're being silly now suggesting one would need two TV's.

Entry level LCD's are about only good for PC use where FHD is going to be the order most of the time

You are suggesting this. At the budget pricepoint there is no Plasma to fulfil both tasks at the desired resolution.

R4,500 42" HD plasma
Only Plasma in the discussed price point, not even capable of displaying 1280x720 HD natively.


There are very few Blu-rays out of the total amount of movies/series.
True, but what most people really care about is new releases. My video shop release both Bluray & DVD at the same time. I dont rent anything less that Bluray now (same price as DVD).

There are very few media/games that are FHD. Flexibility, 95% of the time, is unnecessary and overlooked. Hence why FHD is overrated.
You're getting stuck in the here and now. What period does the average person buy a TV for ... years. As time goes by more & more content/games will be moving to higher resolutions. I for one dont want to be stuck with a unit that will not cater for this trend.
 
Wow this is getting tiring. I can't believe you are still having to justify your LCD purchase. I guess you have to after forumites were dumbfounded when you said things like viewing <720p was better on the 5 Series Samsung than the 4 Series plasma, after forumites who owned/tested the same TV's have a completely different story. Perhaps you are still in doubt after making the mistake of comparing TV's under shop lights, at incorrect viewing distance, and without fiddling with settings? Everything I've told you I've told you before, go back and read - http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/306685-General-Plasma-amp-LCD-discussions/page20

You are suggesting this. At the budget pricepoint there is no Plasma to fulfil both tasks at the desired resolution.

What I'm suggesting is that entry LCD's are only good for PC use (i.e. working in Windows). That said, both tasks have never been the issue, only console gaming and HD content. You are the one bringing PC use to the table, after I've already conceded that LCD is better for PC use (and I mean working on the PC in Windows (bar games and media where plasma wins)). Literally 40 posts ago.

Only Plasma in the discussed price point, not even capable of displaying 1280x720 HD natively.

Doesn't matter, everyone agrees plasma is better at the entry level and low budget, unless you need it for working on a PC (where there are static images and desktop real estate is important); and unless you are a pixel phreak and sit closer than 1m for 32", 1.5m for 40", and 2m for 50" where you will fully benefit from 1080p/Blu-ray

True, but what most people really care about is new releases. My video shop release both Bluray & DVD at the same time. I dont rent anything less that Bluray now (same price as DVD).

Bla bla bla, you will always have some other excuse. I haven't ever spoken to a single forumite/person who says 720p is better on entry LCD than plasma. You are the only one who claims this while others disagree/d (see thread I linked to). Regarding 1080p, there are even some that say 1080p is better on 720p plasma than on entry level 1080p LCD (e.g. TRON 1080p) because they care about picture quality before resolution, because they sit at normal home viewing distances, not 1m @ 32", 1.5m @ 42", or 2m @ 50" as per official guidelines. The need for 1080p is a lot less in these cases, again unless you are a pixel phreak and would rather sacrifice PQ and better viewing experience for more pixels. Like I said before, entry plasma is always better for everything 720p and less, sure 1080p Blu-rays puts a spin on things however because I prefer PQ and overall experience over pixels, and because I sit far out of the official guidlines for full 1080p viewing experience, I will take entry plasma any day over entry LCD, even 42".

You're getting stuck in the here and now. What period does the average person buy a TV for ... years. As time goes by more & more content/games will be moving to higher resolutions. I for one dont want to be stuck with a unit that will not cater for this trend.

Bla bla bla. Entry plasma kills entry LCD at everything 720p, and even 1080p unless you are a pixel phreak.

Haha I got a mention by name :) hehe

Well like pp said I took the 13gig full hd rip that I had of tron and took my laptop to hirschs connected via hdmi.

The contenders were the ps42c450 and the la40c550.

After the brief showing on both sets. The difference was clear and even the small army of sales person couldn't argue. The plasma was the winner by a football field.

At that price u can't get a better picture than the plasma. Doesn't matter that it's hd ready. Still out performs lower end full hd lcds.

Enough said.
 
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I can't believe you are still having to justify your LCD purchase.
Not at all, I just believe the forumites deserve a 1st hand counter-argument to your incessant one-sided rhetoric claiming Plasma pwns all no matter what the budget or (mix of) application. Specifically your recommendations the that low end Plasmas with less that 1280x720 capability are superior in a world where higher resolution content and applications up to 1920x1080 are becoming the norm, a trend thats only going to accelerate over time.

I still maintain, as I have from the start, someone looking for a 40 inch+ budget set in the R5000-R6000 price range would be making a wiser long-term investment choosing a set with capabilities/flexibity to experience the higher resolution content/application available now and increasingly in the future.

Enough said.
Ditto.
 
Here's an arguement:

Most people who buy a new TV intend to keep it for a few years (probaly 4 or 5). The new generation of consoles should come out within 2 years and these consoles will certainly run all games at 1080p and take full advantage of the higher resolution. If you are a gamer you may well regret your decision to buy a 720p display 2 years down the line :-).

Also, for most content 1080p is becoming the norm. Many new movies are filmed with FHD in mind and only a FHD display will take advantage of that and display the all detail (think BluRay, not DSTV...)
 
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Not at all, I just believe the forumites deserve a 1st hand counter-argument to your incessant one-sided rhetoric claiming Plasma pwns all no matter what the budget or (mix of) application. Specifically your recommendations the that low end Plasmas with less that 1280x720 capability are superior in a world where higher resolution content and applications up to 1920x1080 are becoming the norm, a trend thats only going to accelerate over time.

There is no one-sided rhetoric, it's something everyone agrees on especially those who have already made the decision (or who have already owned LCD before going to plasma) - namely PS42C4xx vs. LA40C5xx, where the plasma wins at everything 720p and below, and even sometimes when it comes to 1080p as some have demonstrated as presented to you. It's something the noobs and the experts agree on. If you are a pixel phreak then nothing will satisfy you unless higher resolution. Well let me tell you, 1080p is overrated and there are relatively few instances where it is needed as we have already covered that the vast majority of media is 720p or less.

No problem, true 720p and 1080p plasma's will drop in price and become the norm to keep up with HD resolutions becoming the norm. Entry plasma will remain the chosen tech at the lower end of the market until LCD tech improves. I hope you have your bunker and tins of baked beans ready for the end of the world.

I still maintain, as I have from the start, someone looking for a 40 inch+ budget set in the R5000-R6000 price range would be making a wiser long-term investment choosing a set with capabilities/flexibity to experience the higher resolution content/application available now and increasingly in the future.

Fair enough if connecting to a PC to work on it or use Blu-rays/1080p content/games but plasma still wins at anything 720p and below without a doubt. It's something that is very cut and dried. Stick around some more and you will find out that it is one-sided rhetoric coming from most people, especially those who prefer picture quality over resolution, especially when they are sitting outside the recommended viewing distances for a full 1080p experience.


There are none so blind as those who will not see.

You clearly demonstrate a lack of experience of both LCD and plasma tech and your ignorance really shows in that you are disagreeing with most people who understand entry plasma whips entry LCD.
 
Here's an arguement:

Most people who buy a new TV intend to keep it for a few years (probaly 4 or 5). The new generation of consoles should come out within 2 years and these consoles will certainly run all games at 1080p and take full advantage of the higher resolution. If you are a gamer you may well regret your decision to buy a 720p display 2 years down the line :-).

Also, for most content 1080p is becoming the norm. Many new movies are filmed with FHD in mind and only a FHD display will take advantage of that and display the all detail (think BluRay, not DSTV...)

Yes, fair enough but remember the question was "Which is better for gaming, LCD or plasma?". Plasma is the correct answer based on the advantages of plasma tech, even more so when looking at 50" sets which are also becoming somewhat a norm, and especially more so where 50" 1080p plasma is cheaper than 46" entry 60Hz LCD which will satisfy the pixel phreaks. 40" LCD only has legs to stand on when connecting to a PC for work/1080p games/media and for connecting to a Blu-ray player. I guarantee you picture quality will still be better on 720p plasma. Cut and dried.
 
Wow, the last two pages made my head hurt.
I am a simple creature when it comes to Tv's.
My budget is 6 - 7k.
I dont game. We are getting an HD PVR, we might buy a ps3 (but are not hardcore gamers, will run this through the tv). 90% of tv time is for tv/series etc, most of it through a usb hard drive.

Recommendations? I was just gonna go to somewhere like hersch's etc, look for something in that price range and purchase :)
 
Wow, the last two pages made my head hurt.
I am a simple creature when it comes to Tv's.
My budget is 6 - 7k.
I dont game. We are getting an HD PVR, we might buy a ps3 (but are not hardcore gamers, will run this through the tv). 90% of tv time is for tv/series etc, most of it through a usb hard drive.

Recommendations? I was just gonna go to somewhere like hersch's etc, look for something in that price range and purchase :)

Plasma is for you, especially because of the 90% TV viewing. Plasma wins at SD contect especially (normal DS/TV channels, normal .avi rips, etc.) and it will beat LCD at 720p content (HD PVR, 99% of PS3 games). The only reason you might consider 1080p LCD is for Blu-rays so you will have 1080p content displaying at 1080p. However, I guarantee you if you were to go look for yourself, you will find entry 720p plasma better at displaying 1080p than entry 1080p LCD. The serious down side of entry LCD is its performance compared to plasma at displaying SD/SD TV/sport.

For R6 - R7k the choice is easy. Samsung PS50C430 50" 720p plasma at about R6,499. For about 10% more you could go for the new D Series Samsung plasma's. Here's an idea on pricing but you will find better if you look around - http://www.catsdigital.co.za/plasma-television/samsung-1-2/new-d400-series-4-plasma-tv-t-b-a-.html.

If you want to be objective, you can compare to the Samsung LA40C530/C550 1080p LCD. Remember to stand at correct viewing distance, to fiddle with settings, and to not get sold on the fact that LCD's appear brighter in store (your TV room doesn't have shop lights and under them plasma appears dimmer).
 
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Just be aware of the following and make sure none of this is an issue for you.

Samsung D450 plasma:

- NO LAN, NO WiFi (or WiFi adapter support), NO DLNA
- Power consumption: 290Watt!
- Weight: 25kg
- DBT: NO, not an issue if you only use DSTV and digital inputs. Still, digital switchover is happening...
- Resolution: 1365 x 768. This means that 720p content is not mapped 1 to 1. Thus the display is subject to the same issues a FHD display has when displaying 720p content.
- Only 2 HDMI ports (Xbox+PC+DSTV+BluRay+Digital Camera = unplugging wires all the time)
 
Plasma is for you, especially because of the 90% TV viewing. Plasma wins at SD contect especially (normal DS/TV channels, normal .avi rips, etc.) and it will beat LCD at 720p content (HD PVR, 99% of PS3 games). The only reason you might consider 1080p LCD is for Blu-rays so you will have 1080p content displaying at 1080p. However, I guarantee you if you were to go look for yourself, you will find entry 720p plasma better at displaying 1080p than entry 1080p LCD. The serious down side of entry LCD is its performance compared to plasma at displaying SD/SD TV/sport.

For R6 - R7k the choice is easy. Samsung PS50C430 50" 720p plasma at about R6,499. For about 10% more you could go for the new D Series Samsung plasma's. Here's an idea on pricing but you will find better if you look around - http://www.catsdigital.co.za/plasma-television/samsung-1-2/new-d400-series-4-plasma-tv-t-b-a-.html.

If you want to be objective, you can compare to the Samsung LA40C530/C550 1080p LCD. Remember to stand at correct viewing distance, to fiddle with settings, and to not get sold on the fact that LCD's appear brighter in store (your TV room doesn't have shop lights and under them plasma appears dimmer).

thanks for the response, I will go check it out. What is the correct viewing distance for this, because I am guessign i cant get more than 3m away from the tv. In fact, I think 3m is probably the absolute max!

Just be aware of the following and make sure none of this is an issue for you.

Samsung D450 plasma:

- NO LAN, NO WiFi (or WiFi adapter support), NO DLNA
- Power consumption: 290Watt!
- Weight: 25kg
- DBT: NO, not an issue if you only use DSTV and digital inputs. Still, digital switchover is happening...
- Resolution: 1365 x 768. This means that 720p content is not mapped 1 to 1. Thus the display is subject to the same issues a FHD display has when displaying 720p content.
- Only 2 HDMI ports (Xbox+PC+DSTV+BluRay+Digital Camera = unplugging wires all the time)

Not to worried about wifi or HDMI ports, not sure what DBT is, will do some reading. I am worried about usb ports and built in media player though
 
I think its a digital broadcast tuner - and we're getting set top boxes here, so not really bad.

While USB media is great to have, a Mede8tor can be added too

A TV can have one HDMI for all I care, due to HDMI amps that are suppsed to be the heart of the system - and getting cheaper every few months
 
The Samsung PS50C430/PS42C430 doesn't play videos through the usb. Only music and pics. So you might need a media player/pc for that.
 
thanks for the response, I will go check it out. What is the correct viewing distance for this, because I am guessign i cant get more than 3m away from the tv. In fact, I think 3m is probably the absolute max!

2.5m - 3m is perfect for 50". A very common viewing distance on these forums for 50".

There is conflicting info about the C430's playing videos via USB, seems we might have versions that can't in SA. In any case, it's better to get a dedicated media player that'll play anything you throw at it, like the Western Digital Live (±R800, USB ports with no internal HDD) or AC Ryan Playon HD! (±R1,300, internal HDD with USB ports) or Mede8er (±R1,600, said to be the best out of these, internal HDD and USB ports and good looks). You can put some of the savings by going for bigger & better plasma instead of smaller and inferior LCD towards this.

Not to worried about wifi or HDMI ports, not sure what DBT is, will do some reading. I am worried about usb ports and built in media player though

Scaremongering. ;) :D

HDMI ports can be extended with an HDMI splitter (cheap) or something you will probably want in the near future - a AV receiver/amplifier with component 5.1 speaker system.
 
I think its a digital broadcast tuner - and we're getting set top boxes here, so not really bad.

While USB media is great to have, a Mede8tor can be added too

A TV can have one HDMI for all I care, due to HDMI amps that are suppsed to be the heart of the system - and getting cheaper every few months

Mede8tor or whatever other media player you buy will set you back additional money and use additional electricity. And you have yet another remote. All a waste when you can get TVs which have these things built in. And that's why I would never buy a TV without USB movie support as well as DLNA support.

Here's how things should work: I copy things onto my USB stick and can play them on the TV. My PCs whole library of movies, music and pictures is shared via DLNA, I can access everything via the network without the need for any other device. I can even stream these things to or from my cellphone. No matter if I'm in the bedroom or lounge. No cables, no fuss, no need for extra hardware.

And the digital set up box is another piece of hardware that you wouldn't have needed. Another waste of materials, money (R700) and electricity. Plus another remote.

So here's two set-ups:
The D450 Plasma
TV, console, DSTV, Mede8tor, set-up box, HDMI splitter, possibly BR player

Higher series Plasma or LCD/LED
TV, console, DSTV, possibly BR player

If how your living room looks is important to you then this is a no brainer.
 
Mede8tor or whatever other media player you buy will set you back additional money and use additional electricity. And you have yet another remote. All a waste when you can get TVs which have these things built in. And that's why I would never buy a TV without USB movie support as well as DLNA support.

I have the media player, DLNA streaming, wireless and all those goodies too.

Fact is they're they're no where near as good as a dedicated media player. If ultimate performance is what you want, then yes - you'll need to spend another R2,000.00. A slicker GUI, more responsive, more options/customisation etc.

I'm not putting down the media player - but I'd budget a little more for a real one.

PS Many people nowadays use universal - so it's still only the 1 remote
 
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