Router Battery Backup

I bought a 430M and disassembled it. I see the cells they use are 0817's so I'm adding another bank of them. I take back what I said; they're more than just a few off the shelf parts. Very good value for money, and easy battery change without a warranty sticker being voided.

I'm thinking 2 more banks of four cells each since cells are like R79 + enclosure R30
 
microsoftword said:
I bought a 430M and disassembled it. I see the cells they use are 0817's so I'm adding another bank of them. I take back what I said; they're more than just a few off the shelf parts. Very good value for money, and easy battery change without a warranty sticker being voided.

I'm thinking 2 more banks of four cells each since cells are like R79 + enclosure R30
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0817?
 
DeatheCore said:
So it appears that there's another difference that is not noted on that spec sheet, the batteries are now LiFePO4 and not regular Li-Ion, hence 3.2V and 1800mAh. Assume it will have a shorter runtime than the Li-Ion 860P? Any electrical gurus in here have any thoughts?

Also, not sure why theres such a hefty markup (besides supply demand pricing..) since on the manufacturers site it's about the same per unit as the original 860P :unsure:
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What was the battery voltage on the 860p? You can then work out the Watt hours of both to see which has the longest runtime
 
Hi all.

I've read most of the comments from page 32 onwards regarding setups and what not. I didn't see a similar system on the comments (maybe missed it) so just gonna ask here if someone could maybe recommend a system for me.

I purchased a KSTAR 1000VA UPS in December 2019 when the loadshedding started again as I don't have cellphone signal on the farm where I live and I NEED wifi for security purposes (I have a Wireless ISP with a Dish on my roof). The UPS works for around 2 hours, but if there are more than one loadshedding scheduled for the day, the UPS can't recharge quick enough and then it only holds like 1-1.5 hours for the second LS.

I have 4 devices that needs to be plugged in:
The dish from my WISP (output 24v; 0.38A - I think)
Asus DSL-N55U Router (output: 12v; 2A)
TP Link Switch (output: 5v; 0.6A)
Yealink VOIP Phone (output: 5v; 0.6A)

What do you guys think I should do? I don't really want to go the Inverter+Battery route, but if need be, I probably can (fund wise). Will the Ratel 860P work for my purposes? I just needs to hold battery capacity for 2.5 hours and should be recharged by the next loadshedding schedule (which is normally 6-8 hours later). I live in a region in the Western Cape that has predominately sunshine days, with summer temp reaching 40+, I don't mind going a smallish solar system as well. I'm just a complete noob with these stuff. I see that the Ratel 860P has solar capabilities and on Sinetech they suggest I take the 50W Solar Panel with. Would this system work or should I go the Ratel 430M route (don't really understand the different versions) and maybe run the TP Link Switch & Yealink VOIP Phone on the Ratel 430M and the Dish from my WISP and Asus Router on my UPS? Just thinking of splitting the system up so that my UPS can hold longer or I need to change my system to accommodate everything.
 
Pingwing said:
Hi all.

I've read most of the comments from page 32 onwards regarding setups and what not. I didn't see a similar system on the comments (maybe missed it) so just gonna ask here if someone could maybe recommend a system for me.

I purchased a KSTAR 1000VA UPS in December 2019 when the loadshedding started again as I don't have cellphone signal on the farm where I live and I NEED wifi for security purposes (I have a Wireless ISP with a Dish on my roof). The UPS works for around 2 hours, but if there are more than one loadshedding scheduled for the day, the UPS can't recharge quick enough and then it only holds like 1-1.5 hours for the second LS.

I have 4 devices that needs to be plugged in:
The dish from my WISP (output 24v; 0.38A - I think)
Asus DSL-N55U Router (output: 12v; 2A)
TP Link Switch (output: 5v; 0.6A)
Yealink VOIP Phone (output: 5v; 0.6A)

What do you guys think I should do? I don't really want to go the Inverter+Battery route, but if need be, I probably can (fund wise). Will the Ratel 860P work for my purposes? I just needs to hold battery capacity for 2.5 hours and should be recharged by the next loadshedding schedule (which is normally 6-8 hours later). I live in a region in the Western Cape that has predominately sunshine days, with summer temp reaching 40+, I don't mind going a smallish solar system as well. I'm just a complete noob with these stuff. I see that the Ratel 860P has solar capabilities and on Sinetech they suggest I take the 50W Solar Panel with. Would this system work or should I go the Ratel 430M route (don't really understand the different versions) and maybe run the TP Link Switch & Yealink VOIP Phone on the Ratel 430M and the Dish from my WISP and Asus Router on my UPS? Just thinking of splitting the system up so that my UPS can hold longer or I need to change my system to accommodate everything.
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I'm assuming funds are tight and Looking at your UPS (not sure if i got the right manual) it looks like it is a 12V system but has 2x7ah batteries in parallel with a 2amp charger , (so takes about 7 or 8 hours to charge up) you could in theory hook up either 2 or more 7Ah batteries or get a single (if 12v) medium size 24Ah battery that should hold you enough for load shedding and get you charged up enough to keep you going through the second scheduled load shedding.
 
Pingwing said:
Hi all.

I've read most of the comments from page 32 onwards regarding setups and what not. I didn't see a similar system on the comments (maybe missed it) so just gonna ask here if someone could maybe recommend a system for me.

I purchased a KSTAR 1000VA UPS in December 2019 when the loadshedding started again as I don't have cellphone signal on the farm where I live and I NEED wifi for security purposes (I have a Wireless ISP with a Dish on my roof). The UPS works for around 2 hours, but if there are more than one loadshedding scheduled for the day, the UPS can't recharge quick enough and then it only holds like 1-1.5 hours for the second LS.

I have 4 devices that needs to be plugged in:
The dish from my WISP (output 24v; 0.38A - I think)
Asus DSL-N55U Router (output: 12v; 2A)
TP Link Switch (output: 5v; 0.6A)
Yealink VOIP Phone (output: 5v; 0.6A)

What do you guys think I should do? I don't really want to go the Inverter+Battery route, but if need be, I probably can (fund wise). Will the Ratel 860P work for my purposes? I just needs to hold battery capacity for 2.5 hours and should be recharged by the next loadshedding schedule (which is normally 6-8 hours later). I live in a region in the Western Cape that has predominately sunshine days, with summer temp reaching 40+, I don't mind going a smallish solar system as well. I'm just a complete noob with these stuff. I see that the Ratel 860P has solar capabilities and on Sinetech they suggest I take the 50W Solar Panel with. Would this system work or should I go the Ratel 430M route (don't really understand the different versions) and maybe run the TP Link Switch & Yealink VOIP Phone on the Ratel 430M and the Dish from my WISP and Asus Router on my UPS? Just thinking of splitting the system up so that my UPS can hold longer or I need to change my system to accommodate everything.
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I have the 3000VA and we have 2 sectors 2 GPON's 1 router on ours and she hold for around 1:30min so we had to grab a geni for our needs. I'd recommend splitting the draw on the ups those gizzu's are pretty good or get yourself a proper inverter system for around 5k
 
Honestly, I just had to get something that could get me through loadshedding (could get that UPS locally), it was a security issue for me when loadshedding started to happen in the evening and I didn't have any ways of communicating to my neighbors or farm watch. Also it was in December, most of the online shops takes 2-3 weeks to deliver in December (silly season) and I didn't know what else I could get locally.

I did ask on a Carbonite forum what other options I have (https://carbonite.co.za/index.php?threads/ups-questions.274871/page-2), but that system required me to sort of build my own system which I didn't really want to do (don't want to build something that could burn my thatch roof down when I'm a weekend away :D). I'll spend a few bucks more if it is a reputable brand and it is plug & play.
isie said:
I'm assuming funds are tight and Looking at your UPS (not sure if i got the right manual) it looks like it is a 12V system but has 2x7ah batteries in parallel with a 2amp charger , (so takes about 7 or 8 hours to charge up) you could in theory hook up either 2 or more 7Ah batteries or get a single (if 12v) medium size 24Ah battery that should hold you enough for load shedding and get you charged up enough to keep you going through the second scheduled load shedding.
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Pingwing said:
Hi all.

I've read most of the comments from page 32 onwards regarding setups and what not. I didn't see a similar system on the comments (maybe missed it) so just gonna ask here if someone could maybe recommend a system for me.

I purchased a KSTAR 1000VA UPS in December 2019 when the loadshedding started again as I don't have cellphone signal on the farm where I live and I NEED wifi for security purposes (I have a Wireless ISP with a Dish on my roof). The UPS works for around 2 hours, but if there are more than one loadshedding scheduled for the day, the UPS can't recharge quick enough and then it only holds like 1-1.5 hours for the second LS.

I have 4 devices that needs to be plugged in:
The dish from my WISP (output 24v; 0.38A - I think)
Asus DSL-N55U Router (output: 12v; 2A)
TP Link Switch (output: 5v; 0.6A)
Yealink VOIP Phone (output: 5v; 0.6A)

What do you guys think I should do? I don't really want to go the Inverter+Battery route, but if need be, I probably can (fund wise). Will the Ratel 860P work for my purposes? I just needs to hold battery capacity for 2.5 hours and should be recharged by the next loadshedding schedule (which is normally 6-8 hours later). I live in a region in the Western Cape that has predominately sunshine days, with summer temp reaching 40+, I don't mind going a smallish solar system as well. I'm just a complete noob with these stuff. I see that the Ratel 860P has solar capabilities and on Sinetech they suggest I take the 50W Solar Panel with. Would this system work or should I go the Ratel 430M route (don't really understand the different versions) and maybe run the TP Link Switch & Yealink VOIP Phone on the Ratel 430M and the Dish from my WISP and Asus Router on my UPS? Just thinking of splitting the system up so that my UPS can hold longer or I need to change my system to accommodate everything.
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A guesstimate from your values is that you need to power about 30W, so for two hours you'd need at least 60Wh of battery capacity.

The Ratel 860p (if you can get one), would be ideal, especially if you hook up some solar too. It has about 65Wh battery. The 430 only has half the battery of the 860p, so that will be to light for you.

Also, lithium batteries will charge much faster than lead acid.
 
Speedster said:
A guesstimate from your values is that you need to power about 30W, so for two hours you'd need at least 60Wh of battery capacity.

The Ratel 860p (if you can get one), would be ideal, especially if you hook up some solar too. It has about 65Wh battery. The 430 only has half the battery of the 860p, so that will be to light for you.

Also, lithium batteries will charge much faster than lead acid.
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I got one of those energy meters from a friend and this was the values for the multiplug that had those 4 devices plugged in for 6 hours. As I have it, my need is very small.

Okay cool, what is a good price for the Ratel 860p and the 50W Solar Panel (is there a specific brand that I should look at)? I saw this morning in my emails that Loot had the GIZZU’s Mini 8800mAh DC|POE UPS for R840 (I have discount through Multiply with Loot, so I normally check them and then the other online retailers that ship to my town for a reasonable price).

Thank you all for the answers, I appreciate it.
 

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Pingwing said:
I got one of those energy meters from a friend and this was the values for the multiplug that had those 4 devices plugged in for 6 hours. As I have it, my need is very small.

Okay cool, what is a good price for the Ratel 860p and the 50W Solar Panel (is there a specific brand that I should look at)? I saw this morning in my emails that Loot had the GIZZU’s Mini 8800mAh DC|POE UPS for R840 (I have discount through Multiply with Loot, so I normally check them and then the other online retailers that ship to my town for a reasonable price).

Thank you all for the answers, I appreciate it.
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If it is 6.5W, you could easily go for something smaller, but that number seems a bit off.

The Ratel 860p is very scarce, but if you do find one you're looking at about R1500.

Edit: I've just looked at your numbers again and see you have a mix of 24V, 12V and 5V devices. The 24v is going to be a problem on most DC ups options.
 
Speedster said:
If it is 6.5W, you could easily go for something smaller, but that number seems a bit off.

The Ratel 860p is very scarce, but if you do find one you're looking at about R1500.

Edit: I've just looked at your numbers again and see you have a mix of 24V, 12V and 5V devices. The 24v is going to be a problem on most DC ups options.
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it's 12.7W.
 
Pingwing said:
I got one of those energy meters from a friend and this was the values for the multiplug that had those 4 devices plugged in for 6 hours. As I have it, my need is very small.

Okay cool, what is a good price for the Ratel 860p and the 50W Solar Panel (is there a specific brand that I should look at)? I saw this morning in my emails that Loot had the GIZZU’s Mini 8800mAh DC|POE UPS for R840 (I have discount through Multiply with Loot, so I normally check them and then the other online retailers that ship to my town for a reasonable price).

Thank you all for the answers, I appreciate it.
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What's your budget, if you don't mind telling?
 
My numbers could be off, just plugged in that meter and checked the result a few hours later. Otherwise, one can probably work it out by the UPS that holds 2 hours of battery charge before it stops.

Well, I don't really want to spend R5k+ now, cause then I can rather pay an electrician to set me up for a nice system around 9-10k (I got a quote for a battery+inverter system just before lockdown from an electrician). Let's say between R1.5k and R2.5k for a system that wouldn't let me down in Loadshedding times, I just want those devices to work. TV is a bonus, but don't really need it and I've got a few rechargeable lights so don't really need a big system.
 
Pingwing said:
My numbers could be off, just plugged in that meter and checked the result a few hours later. Otherwise, one can probably work it out by the UPS that holds 2 hours of battery charge before it stops.

Well, I don't really want to spend R5k+ now, cause then I can rather pay an electrician to set me up for a nice system around 9-10k (I got a quote for a battery+inverter system just before lockdown from an electrician). Let's say between R1.5k and R2.5k for a system that wouldn't let me down in Loadshedding times, I just want those devices to work. TV is a bonus, but don't really need it and I've got a few rechargeable lights so don't really need a big system.
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Another option would be to modify your UPS to add a second (or bigger) battery, but a DC would be simplest. If I were you I'd probably keep the 24V guy on the existing ups and pop the rest on a Ratel (or similar).
 
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