Uncapped ADSL: How much data are you allowed to use?

[Morpheus69]

Then they have given me the wrong product. I wanted an uncapped product... but they have given me something that can't handle my demands. so who's fault is it for mislabeling or misrepresenting the product?



What if I'm not a business, what if I'm a home user who wants to do all of those things? Or what if I have just started my business and I can't afford several thousand rand a month for a business account?

Seriously you South Africans deserve the crap you get. None of you have any imagination about what the internet can be used for or the potential for great opportunities here. The ISPs have trained you well. You will take what we give you and be happy with it.

Take off the blindfolds man, look at the rest of the world. half a planet away from us there are people using the internet at a speed of 100 mbps with no restrictions for less than what you are paying now. If you are happy to stay in the backwoods, then by all means... but the rest of us want to live in the real world.

You may not want to fight for it because you might be a coward, but the rest of us are willing to fight for our rights.

Thank you for saying this, this is what ive been saying all this time!!!!
Finally someone else is speaking up.!!

 

[drukkie]

The pareto principle as pointed out by Gian. Why should 80 percent of us subsidise the "habits" of the other 20%!

This is just how things work, live with it. (life insurance,medical insurance,unemployment, rates and taxes etc etc etc etc)

 

[Diesal]

What Garyvdh, Sirus_the_virus and Xzib1t want are uncapped, UNLIMITED accounts. These accounts are uncapped, they're just not unlimited. If the provider feels that you are abusing their network and after investigation decides that they don't want you on their network, they'll kick you off. It's still UNCAPPED, because there is no cap. It's just not UNLIMITED.

I see abuse as, using the ISPs network to take control of the United States Defence forces network, and launch nuclear warheads at places I don’t like.

Uncapped: Having no cap, i.e the Sky is Not the limit

Unlimited:
1. Having no restrictions or controls: an unlimited travel ticket.
2. Having or seeming to have no boundaries; infinite: an unlimited horizon.
3. Without qualification or exception; absolute: unlimited self-confidence.

Sounds the same to me just in a different context.

 

[Na-iem]

What rot.

Read the article. These acceptable use policies are standard except for a few places in the world. There are large areas in the US where there is no broadband. Unfortunately there are certain realities ISP's have to face and the infrastructure/geographical make up/Cost of bandwidth within South Africa means that ISP's need to be a little bit stricter with their management to ensure an acceptable service for all their customers and a profit to stay alive.

I'm not about to kick the ISP's that are reshaping the South African telecomm's arena in the teeth.

What rot.

Read the comments.

We're not arguing for or against AUPs. We're saying AUPs and "uncapped" are mutually exclusive.

 

[fdaniels]

Damn, some of you guys are really greedy. I think that they should rename uncapped accounts to 'Fair Usage' accounts. That way the moaners can stop once and for all.

 

[porchrat]

Thank you for saying this, this is what ive been saying all this time!!!!
Finally someone else is speaking up.!!

The dude is comparing South Korea with South Afirca. South Korea is at the other end if the spectrum. If you want to be fair compare with the average first world country not an exceptional one.

 

[Kilgore_Trout_Redux]

...How can Sirius_The_Virus possibly exhaust an "unlimited" supply? :wtf:...

Because the network infrastructure and international bandwidth that MWEB has purchased is not infinite? The parents throwing the party only have so many sweets to dish out? The buffet is only so large?

 

[Kilgore_Trout_Redux]

What rot.

Read the comments.

We're not arguing for or against AUPs. We're saying AUPs and "uncapped" are mutually exclusive.

For a self proclaimed expert on the internet you have not even the slightest clue of what the terminology being used is.

And I'm saying that you and other people in this thread don't even understand what a capped service is yet you're knocking the ISP's.

Here is a hint : Throttling after a certain usage is not capping. Cutting off people who abuse a service is not capping. Managing network traffic to maintain quality of service for everyone on the network is not capping. These acceptable use policies just do these things.

 

[LazyLion]

Cutting off people who abuse a service is not capping

you have yet to explain to us how using an uncapped service in an uncapped manner amounts to abuse?

 

[porchrat]

And I'm saying that you and other people in this thread don't even understand what a capped service is yet you're knocking the ISP's.

Here is a hint : Throttling after a certain usage is not capping. Cutting off people who abuse a service is not capping. Managing network traffic to maintain quality of service for everyone on the network is not capping. These acceptable use policies just do these things.

+1. They are working within the confines of a physical system. If they allow the limits of that system to be surpassed because of a few individuals then the entire thing collapses and none of us get internet.

Whining about it isn't going to alter the physical limitations of the system.

 

[ponder]

Seriously you South Africans deserve the crap you get.

+1 SA has some of the worst consumers in the world. I kinda blame the apathy of SA consumers for the way we get treated.

I say feed them *****.

 

[porchrat]

you have yet to explain to us how using an uncapped service in an uncapped manner amounts to abuse?

An uncapped sevice... with conditions attached which you agree to when you sign up to it. Something you seem keen to ignore.

 

[Slooth]

I agree with acceptable use policies since ISP's have the right to make a profit and other internet users have the right to an acceptable internet experience.

Extremely high usage clients should pay more for the priviledge of downloading excessive amounts.

Sure, but then don't sell it as uncapped, because it isn't.

 

[ponder]

+1. They are working within the confines of a physical system. If they allow the limits of that system to be surpassed because of a few individuals then the entire thing collapses and none of us get internet.

Whining about it isn't going to alter the physical limitations of the system.

So what about those ISP's that do offer a true uncapped product??? Why should their product (the real deal) share the same label with a inferior product?

 

[Na-iem]

Because the network infrastructure and international bandwidth that MWEB has purchased is not infinite? The parents throwing the party only have so many sweets to dish out? The buffet is only so large?

1) Bandwidth : the transmission capacity of an electronic communications device or system; the speed of data transfer. No-one is exceeding the speed of the package for which they paid.
2) The parents are paying the party service providers for the party, they're not supplying the sweets and cakes themselves, they're paying the party service provider to, well, provide the sweets and cakes for the party. The package bought from the party service provider was advertised as "unlimited" cake and sweets. Now the party service providers want to boot Sirius_The_Virus (Sirius, I hope you don't mind me using you name ) from the party because he is exhausting their "unlimited" supply.

 

[porchrat]

So what about those ISP's that do offer a true uncapped product??? Why should their product (the real deal) share the same label with a inferior product?

All one needs to do is state heavily in the advertising that there is no "acceptable use policy" attached in order to distinguish it. Seems pretty simple to me.

 

[Slooth]

Are there any genuinely uncapped products available in SA?

Yes, many ISP offer uncapped.

 

[ponder]

An uncapped sevice... with conditions attached which you agree to when you sign up to it. Something you seem keen to ignore.

You cannot have an uncapped product and then attach conditions to it, once you attach conditions to it it's no longer an uncapped product.

So if I sell you an uncapped product with fair use conditions of 50MB a month would you still be happy?

 

[Kilgore_Trout_Redux]

you have yet to explain to us how using an uncapped service in an uncapped manner amounts to abuse?

I would define abuse as using the sevice in such a manner so as to degrade network performance for other users or impact the financial viability of the product. But I'm not an ISP.

 

[drukkie]

Whining about it isn't going to alter the physical limitations of the system.

BS, it's because of whining and jumping ship that got us where we are, Power users and tech savvy people.
Let me guess you still paying 69 bucks per gig? if we didn't push the limits we would still be on the R7 weekender with a 56 modem.(oops is that abuse staying on 24/7????)