MWEB Uncapped Subscribers Feedback

[Kosmik]

Angellus - i am an ex axxess express+ user. nothing says i should go back.

yep, smooth sailing and perfectly fine on 4meg for gaming too.

 

[mrudling]

Mweb, you have free'd my soul!

Just setup my account from axxess uncapped to mweb uncapped. Night and day i tell you, night and day!

Rapidshare, tonight you are mine!

 

[PhreeMe]

Yeah gaming seems to be great for me too... Downloaded and played D&D Online to sample what playing MMO's is all about. Ran flawlessly!! Playing BFBC 2 locally? No problems there either.

 

[Rodent-Boy]

FTP uploads going at 2.59 KB/s. Woohoo!

 

[Phantomstuna]

Can some people on 4meg Mweb uncapped please ping saix.co.za and isgaming.co.za and post their results ? I am on the Afrihost uncapped account and the pings fluctuate quite badly... before i wrote this post, i got an average ping to saix of 134ms and an average of 28ms to isgaming.co.za.... while the isgaming ping doesnt really change unless im downloading, the SAIX.co.za ping changes between the normal 48-52ms and the extreme 135ms....

So yea, wanna see if mweb is more stable... Let me know

thanks guys


P.S: its the opposite with my 3gb telkomsa account, that one gets like 90ms to IS and 39 to saix...

 

[SabreWolfy]

Can some people on 4meg Mweb uncapped please ping saix.co.za and isgaming.co.za and post their results ? I am on the Afrihost uncapped account and the pings fluctuate quite badly... before i wrote this post, i got an average ping to saix of 134ms and an average of 28ms to isgaming.co.za.... while the isgaming ping doesnt really change unless im downloading, the SAIX.co.za ping changes between the normal 48-52ms and the extreme 135ms....

So yea, wanna see if mweb is more stable... Let me know

thanks guys


P.S: its the opposite with my 3gb telkomsa account, that one gets like 90ms to IS and 39 to saix...

I've found that turning the router off for a few minutes and then reconnecting can reduce (local) ping times.

 

[cavedog]

Tests done with 4096k Mweb Uncapped account.

C:\Users\Eugene>ping saix.co.za

Pinging saix.co.za [196.25.1.200] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=52ms TTL=246
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=53ms TTL=246
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=53ms TTL=246
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=53ms TTL=246

Ping statistics for 196.25.1.200:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 52ms, Maximum = 53ms, Average = 52ms

C:\Users\Eugene>ping isgaming.co.za

Pinging isgaming.co.za [196.38.180.2] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 196.38.180.2: bytes=32 time=34ms TTL=52
Reply from 196.38.180.2: bytes=32 time=33ms TTL=52
Reply from 196.38.180.2: bytes=32 time=33ms TTL=52
Reply from 196.38.180.2: bytes=32 time=33ms TTL=52

Ping statistics for 196.38.180.2:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 33ms, Maximum = 34ms, Average = 33ms

 

[Gordon_R]

Can some people on 4meg Mweb uncapped please ping saix.co.za and isgaming.co.za and post their results ? I am on the Afrihost uncapped account and the pings fluctuate quite badly... before i wrote this post, i got an average ping to saix of 134ms and an average of 28ms to isgaming.co.za.... while the isgaming ping doesnt really change unless im downloading, the SAIX.co.za ping changes between the normal 48-52ms and the extreme 135ms....

So yea, wanna see if mweb is more stable... Let me know

thanks guys


P.S: its the opposite with my 3gb telkomsa account, that one gets like 90ms to IS and 39 to saix...

Rather than us posting ping times, which doesn't tell much, why don't you post a tracert. This will show which hop your congestion is occuring on. If its the first hop then your line is bad. The 2nd hop the DSLAM is congested. The 3rd hop MWeb is congested, etc.

Most likely its the hops between MWeb and SAIX. Something like this (from 2 weeks ago).

Tracing route to www.iol.co.za [196.30.168.79]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1   <10 ms   <10 ms   <10 ms  home.gateway [192.168.1.254] 
  2     9 ms     8 ms     8 ms  41-132-48-1.dsl.mweb.co.za [41.132.48.1] 
  3    29 ms    29 ms    29 ms  196.22.169.134 
  4    29 ms    30 ms    29 ms  vl-92.vic-hscore-2.mweb.co.za [196.22.189.3] 
  5   111 ms   100 ms    91 ms  tengig-0-0-0-0-12.vic-up-1.mweb.co.za [196.22.169.241] 
  6   197 ms   201 ms   200 ms  rndf-ip-hsll-1-wan.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.25.110.73] 
  7   201 ms   201 ms   201 ms  rrba-ip-lir-1-gig-0-0-0.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.43.8.198] 
  8   199 ms   201 ms   199 ms  196.43.25.138 
  9   199 ms   196 ms   200 ms  ge0-2.br1.jnb6.za.mtnbusiness.net [196.30.16.181] 
 10   196 ms   202 ms   202 ms  196.30.1.6 
 11   224 ms   276 ms   221 ms  at2-1-0sub1110.cr4.cpt1.za.mtnbusiness.net [196.30.229.206] 
 12   224 ms   223 ms   217 ms  vlan9.hr1.cpt1.za.mtnbusiness.net [196.30.200.167] 
 13   223 ms   223 ms   217 ms  www.iol.co.za [196.30.168.79] 

Trace complete.

 

[Phantomstuna]

thanks cavedog, and Gordon_R

Im on an Afrihost account, from what i have been told they start throttling you after 60gb, whats the "limit" on an mweb account, when do they start slowing you down hecticly ?

 

[stefan9]

thanks cavedog, and Gordon_R

Im on an Afrihost account, from what i have been told they start throttling you after 60gb, whats the "limit" on an mweb account, when do they start slowing you down hecticly ?

There is no such limit. Mweb only shapes certain protocals they do not employ throttling as afrihost does.

 

[Phantomstuna]

./movestomweb

Thanks guys

 

[Gordon_R]

Tests done with 4096k Mweb Uncapped account.

C:\Users\Eugene>ping saix.co.za

Pinging saix.co.za [196.25.1.200] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=52ms TTL=246
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=53ms TTL=246
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=53ms TTL=246
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=53ms TTL=246

Ping statistics for 196.25.1.200:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 52ms, Maximum = 53ms, Average = 52ms

C:\Users\Eugene>ping isgaming.co.za

Pinging isgaming.co.za [196.38.180.2] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 196.38.180.2: bytes=32 time=34ms TTL=52
Reply from 196.38.180.2: bytes=32 time=33ms TTL=52
Reply from 196.38.180.2: bytes=32 time=33ms TTL=52
Reply from 196.38.180.2: bytes=32 time=33ms TTL=52

Ping statistics for 196.38.180.2:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 33ms, Maximum = 34ms, Average = 33ms

The ping times to saix.co.za and isgaming.co.za may be similar, but tracert indicates that MWeb and IS don't have direct peering (goes via SAIX, same as MTNBusiness and IOL). This means there are a lot more hops, and the potential for congestion and things to go wrong (IMO).

Tracing route to isgaming.co.za [196.38.180.2]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

   1     1 ms   <10 ms   <10 ms  home.gateway [192.168.1.254]
   2     7 ms     8 ms     7 ms  41-132-48-1.dsl.mweb.co.za [41.132.48.1]
   3    29 ms    28 ms    28 ms  tengig-0-0-0-101.vic-ipc-1.mweb.co.za [196.22.169.134]
   4    28 ms    29 ms    29 ms  vl-92.vic-hscore-2.mweb.co.za [196.22.189.3]
   5    50 ms    48 ms    48 ms  tengig-0-0-0-0-12.vic-up-1.mweb.co.za [196.22.169.241]
   6    28 ms    30 ms    29 ms  rrba-ip-hsll-1-wan.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.25.8.249]
   7    29 ms    29 ms    30 ms  rrba-ip-lir-1-gig-0-0-0.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.43.8.198]
   8    29 ms    29 ms    29 ms  196.43.25.138
   9    28 ms    29 ms    29 ms  internet-solutions-gw.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.25.127.182]
  10    30 ms    30 ms    29 ms  196.26.0.60
  11    30 ms    31 ms    30 ms  core1a-bry-gi0-0-3.ip.isnet.net [168.209.100.194]
  12    30 ms    31 ms    31 ms  csw1-b-jup-bry-gi3-1.ip.isnet.net [168.209.217.21]
  13    30 ms    30 ms    31 ms  isgaming.co.za [196.38.180.2]

Trace complete.

 

[XperiAnce]

Well, after one weekend on 384k Uncapped I can finally contribute to this discussion:

Browsing was full speed all weekend. No complaints there. HTTP downloading was full speed (although Rapidshare was only around 20kb/s) - At night things went much quicker (10pm onwards) - Torrents were very high-low-high-low, but I got my files in the end so who cares.
Gaming on PS3 (Bad Company 2) - Not as quick as gaming on my old IS account but still playable. If you're anal, the uncapped account isn't great for international gaming but for people like me who don't care how we kill people, as long as they're dead, then this account is fine Haven't tried local gaming on the PS3/Xbox yet, but I've read on the forums that it's just as good as any other capped account.

Managed to download a full 3GIGs on Saturday which I was impressed with.

Today, downloads are only going at about 10kb/s which isn't much less than how they went when I was on my IS account (business hours would result in 15kb/s downloads)

Overall, very happy.
Will be sticking with this account assuming the service level stays the same (or hopefully gets better )

 

[Ryansta]

YAY finally have a date(didnt take that long actually but 3 weeks is long for me) will be getting adsl soon. 29th i have my anologue line. For the adsl line who is quicker(install) and better, mweb or telkom?

 

[medicnick83]

I'm very happy so far (at least, start of this week)

My usenet downloads are going at 115KB/s ± and I think that is acceptable - 200KB/s (is a bonus, and more is even more of a bonus)

After hours, I still want to see MWEB opening the ports at about 8/9pm at night and giving all users full speed.
They quick to shut things down at 8am (EXACTLY, LIKE CLOCK WORK EVERY MORNING)

 

[Gothan]

Well telkom is responsible for the adsl conversion no matter whom you choose. Maybe Mweb just bugs them a little bit more. I got my line (finally) on friday, so now I am bugging telkom each day for my adsl

 

[rsd]

I'm very happy so far (at least, start of this week)

My usenet downloads are going at 115KB/s ± and I think that is acceptable - 200KB/s (is a bonus, and more is even more of a bonus)

After hours, I still want to see MWEB opening the ports at about 8/9pm at night and giving all users full speed.
They quick to shut things down at 8am (EXACTLY, LIKE CLOCK WORK EVERY MORNING)

As far as I'm aware the only reason things are "shut down" at 8am is because that's what time demand for priority protocols starts to peak. MWeb doesn't have different shaping during the day and night as far as I can gather from previous statements. It just so happens that everyone rocks up at work at 8am and logs into facebook and there go your usenet speeds

This also means they don't ever "open the ports", the network just becomes less congested, so you are able to get better speeds on low priority protocols.

 

[Gordon_R]

As far as I'm aware the only reason things are "shut down" at 8am is because that's what time demand for priority protocols starts to peak. MWeb doesn't have different shaping during the day and night as far as I can gather from previous statements. It just so happens that everyone rocks up at work at 8am and logs into facebook and there go your usenet speeds

This also means they don't ever "open the ports", the network just becomes less congested, so you are able to get better speeds on low priority protocols.

From my post on the Q&A thread:

Shaping is done dynamically, so there is no fixed time, and it also depends on capcacity vs demand.

The short answer is that any time a 'normal' person is awake, the network will be busy.

MWeb doesn't disclose their traffic, but if you look at a 24 hour data graph from the JINX (Joburg Network Exchange), you will see that between 00h00 and 06h00 (weekdays) to 08h00 (weekends) is usually the best time:
http://stats.jinx.net.za/showtotal.php?img=day

 

[rsd]

Also, some feedback: I'm very happy with mweb uncapped on 384k. I've used it to download games over steam, which it does very well 24/7 and for streaming audio from Pandora.com over an SSH tunnel on a non standard port, which also works very well.

The only issue I have is that the latency of SSH over a non standard port is really not great, but I guess that's to be expected and not a huge issue. Enough lag when typing commands into a terminal to make it borderline unusable. This is a consumer offering though and most people will never encounter this issue.

Done some local gaming - TF2 and bad company 2 on SGS - and the latency seems fine. I didn't actually check my ping in-game, but it felt the same as my telkom account which is all that I really care about.

Had it since Friday and so far so good, would recommend it happily.

 

[Kosmik]

@Mweb

Couple of us are noticing quite a bit of degradation regarding YouTube at the moment. There is a thread on the forum, could we have a response to it please?

I noticed it myself yesterday although only watched for a bit but was a standard video and I had to buffer a bit on a 4meg line.